Lean at 10: The Podcast, Part 5

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“If your experiments all succeed, you’re doing them wrong.”

Jamie Notter

My Lean at 10: Culture Eats Methodology for Lunch co-author Jamie Notter and I recently had the opportunity to join Celisa Steele on the Leading Learning podcast to discuss the core elements of lean startup methodology, the cultural patterns that can undermine using the methodology, and how pairing lean startup with design thinking can help organizations build empathy, surface assumptions, and learn more effectively.

Check it out at the Leading Learning podcast site, or on your favorite podcast service.

AC3 Merges with CAFA

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I’m excited to share that I’ve stepped into a new volunteer role as US Co-Lead (with the fabulous Maddie Grant) for Climate Action For Associations. CAFA America will subsume our existing climate change project, the Association Climate Action Coalition (AC3).

(Don’t worry – I’m still Chief Strategist at Spark, providing membership and lean startup methodology consulting to associations. This is a new volunteer role for Maddie and me.)

CAFA is a global initiative helping associations turn climate commitments into practical, coordinated action.

Our focus will be on supporting the launch and growth of CAFA’s work in the United States—building partnerships, piloting programs, and helping shape an operating model that reflects the realities of the American association landscape.

Associations play a unique role in shaping industries, professions, and collective standards. When we move together, we have the power to accelerate real change at scale. I’m grateful to be working alongside CAFA’s global team and a growing network of association leaders who are serious about moving from intention to impact.

Through this partnership, AC3 members will now have access to CAFA’s global hub, including resources, tools, and guidance. Membership is free, and is now open to ALL US associations.

Are you ready to join right away? Visit the CAFA website to learn how

Lean at 10: The Podcast, Part 4

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Jamie Notter, Chrissy Bagby, and I recently had the opportunity to have a candid conversation about what it really takes to innovate with the Association Insights Podcast host Colleen Gallagher.

Based on our recent whitepaper, Lean at 10: Culture Eats Methodology for Lunch, we discussed how lean startup methodology, paired with an intentional approach to culture change, can help associations escape the “we have always done it that way” trap.

The episode focuses heavily on the American Association of Veterinary State Boards case study, where Chrissy shares how her team moved from big, risky projects built on a foundation of unarticulated and untested assumptions to structured experiments buoyed by shared understanding and the role of the “cooperative skeptic.”

Tune in for honest, practical insight into bringing lean startup into your association, whether you’re a C-suite executive or leading from the middle:

 

Lean at 10: The Podcast, Part 3

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In theory, every organization wants to innovate.

In practice? Many are unknowingly fighting against themselves.

As my Lean at 10: Culture Eats Methodology for Lunch co-author Jamie Notter recently put it on Carol Hamilton’s Nonprofit Mission: Impact podcast, most organizations are genuinely committed to unlocking new value for the people they serve, yet too often, a competing commitment that is embedded in the culture gets in the way.

For example: being equally committed to always appearing competent, to never having to say, “I don’t know.” That second commitment quietly sabotages the first, because innovation requires admitting you don’t know. It asks us to test, learn, and occasionally fail. No matter what you say, if your organizational culture actually rewards being the smartest person in the room, then no one is allowed to take that risk.

That’s how innovation cultures actually grow – not through slogans or retreats, but by practicing honesty about what we really value and being willing to learn.

Check out the full conversation here.

Lean at 10: The Podcast, Part 2

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Jamie and I recently had the opportunity to sit down with Association Tech Insider host Justin Burniske (Meta-Dao) and Adam Savino (ASIS International) to explore how the Lean Startup methodology can help associations innovate smarter, faster, and with greater impact.

We discussed how associations can apply Lean principles like rapid experimentation, the build–measure–learn cycle, and data-driven decision-making to test new ideas and develop non-dues revenue streams without wasting limited resources. We also talked about the cultural side of innovation: how to create space for change, embrace learning from failure, and move beyond the “loudest voice in the room.”

From overcoming internal resistance to exploring how AI can accelerate learning, this conversation offers practical advice and real-world examples for any association ready to adapt and grow.

Listen to learn:

  • How Lean Startup principles translate to the association world
  • Why culture can make or break innovation
  • The importance of measuring what truly matters
  • Ways AI can enhance experimentation and learning

Inspired by the recently released white paper “Lean at 10” (https://bit.ly/LeanAt10), this episode is a must-listen for association leaders looking to turn smart ideas into sustainable action.

Check it out at: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0NB5intkrpWZZ2xMBS2Nrd

A Decade of Lean Startup: Lessons Learned

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Association execs are always on the lookout for good ideas for new programs, products, and services, and once we think we have one, we want to build it as quickly and efficiently as possible. What are the challenges associations face in developing their ideas? How can lean startup methodology help? What is the role of organizational culture in successful innovation?

Spoiler alert: After ten years of working with lean startup methodology one of the main things we’ve learned is that it’s not the concepts, tools, and techniques that are the hard part – it’s the culture change.

Join me, Jamie Notter, Chrissy Bagby, and Tiffany Dyar on Wednesday, November 5 for a FREE webinar, A Decade of Lean Startup: Lessons Learned, to learn about the challenges presented by the culture change necessary to use lean startup successfully and gain the tools you need to address those challenges in your own organization.

Details and RSVP here.

Lean at 10: The Podcast

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Jamie Notter, Chrissy Bagby, and I were honored to join Cecilia Sepp recently on Radio Free 501c to discuss our latest whitepaper, Lean at 10: Culture Eats Methodology for Lunch.

On the pod, Jamie and I outlined some of  the major concepts we cover in the paper. We also discussed why we chose to revisit this topic 10 years after the publication of the original Innovate the Lean Way monograph I wrote with Guillermo Ortiz de Zárate. Then Chrissy detailed how she and her colleagues at the American Association of Veterinary State Boards apply lean startup methodology principles to test ideas for new programs, products, and services. One of her key pieces of advice: “Challenge your idea of failure.”

Listen or view at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7031J-UI60

Join Associations in Addressing Climate Change

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A little bit of a throwback, but if you’ve been following the Spark collaborative whitepaper series for any time, you may recall that the 2023 monograph had to do with associations and climate change.

Related to that, we launched a small Community of Practice, the Association Climate Action Coalition, where membership is free (thanks to the generosity of the nice folks at Breezio).

AC3, in turn, has an informal relationship with Climate Action for Associations, a UK-based membership organization dedicated to helping associations and our members achieve net zero.

Two things to know:

  1.  Membership in CAFA is now FREE for associations – learn more at https://www.climateactionforassociations.org/join.
  2. CAFA is holding monthly meet ups for member organizations, which provide an opportunity to learn what other associations are doing to achieve their sustainability and decarbonization goals (both within the association itself and with regards to assisting members in reaching their goals), ask questions, and get advice on your own journey to addressing climate change. All you have to do to attend is join (which, again, is now free).

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Innovation Is All About People

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Lean at 10: Culture Eats Methodology for Lunch co-author Jamie Notter and I recently had the opportunity to sit down with Mariner Management for a Q&A about the latest Spark collaborative whitepaper.

Among the issues we addressed:

  • Association industry rate of adoption (spoiler alert: it’s STILL WAY too low)
  • Role of design thinking
  • Role of AI
  • Embracing experimentation
  • Removing structural barriers
  • Role of volunteers

Read part 1 of our discussion.

Read part 2 of our discussion.

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Think Small

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As I’ve worked with association execs adopting lean startup methodology to help them develop their ideas for new programs, products, or services they could offer to their members and other audiences, one thing that often trips them up is creating a *minimum* product.

We know how to create a vision and sell it. We do that all the time, most frequently between the board and senior leadership (one has the vision and pitches it to the other).

Viable products are also no problem. We know how to make stuff for our members. We also do that all the time.

The hard part is not throwing too much stuff in there, not, to use a common MVP metaphor, giving people a Mercedes when what they actually wanted was a bike.

Once you’ve gotten through your lean canvas and are starting the Build-Measure-Learn cycle, the first step is to think about the features your MVP could have, broken into the smallest possible components.

Let’s say your idea is to create training in meeting regulatory requirements. That’s not federal rules and state rules and contracts and IP and disclosures and ethics all in one. Each of those is a separate feature. In fact, some of those might break down even further. (“IP” is a big topic. So is “ethics.”)

When it comes to your MVP, you need to think small, not big.

Remember, you could be going in the wrong direction. Your target audience may not want this at all, or they may want kind of what you’re proposing but not exactly. If you put too much stuff into your early tests not only will you have invested more resources than you should in an unvalidated idea, you’ve also made your own job of trying to more closely approximate what your audience needs by way of a solution to the problem you’ve identified that much more challenging.

Keep it simple, keep it small, track your metrics, and keep it moving, on to the next iteration of your idea.

Want to learn more? Join me, Jamie Notter, and Tiffany Dyar for a free webinar, Lean Startup at 10: Navigating Disruption and Opportunity in Today’s Association Landscape, next Wednesday, September 10, at 2 pm ET, hosted by the nice folks at Professionals for Association Revenue (PAR). Learn more and register here.

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